The worship leader is always pushing you or manipulating the crowd to be more expressive but it seemed  so contrived like the more exuberant the crowd was the more validated the worship leader felt in doing God’s work. The pentecostal type church isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Email: Store@theramp.org Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. Claiming God spoke when He didn’t is a bad thing. } Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. let formElement = document.getElementById("tfa_0"); © Copyright 2020 The Ramp. Email: Store@theramp.org . $15.00. Judy Jacobs. if (null !== cumulatedTimeElement) { I am not condemning all the preachers you mentioned, but a lot of the ones you mentioned aren’t typical, IMO, of the Pentecostal movement. I looked so holy I’m sure in my Sunday best. Feel free to reach out. When Karen and I divorced in 1995 we signed an agreement that the details of our divorce were not to be discussed or published. If at all possible, I would love if you could contact me. Has he changes his ways since the Ramp days and walked away from the errors of that? They did the “hot seat” where you sit in a chair and people pray over you and ask the Holy Spirit what he saying. Thank you. Worship Media Performing Arts Visual Arts Missions. I would allow time to pass and felt I had to start all over again. ♥️. The Gospel has already been validated with these miracles. I came across your article and wanted to reach out to you. Quiet meditation, formal structured services and order are more helpful. Rather, just be happy that you’re finally developing your own relationship with God and go on with Him from there. Maybe I will write about that in the future but honestly I’m still in a healing season. Maybe if I had read it I would have understood how God views false lying prophets and a corrupt priest which brings me to my point, false prophets and corrupt ministers leading many astray has become a staple in the charismatic movement that I could no longer ignore or be a part of with a clear conscious. Our Church actually phased out Sunday morning bible studies and the Wednesday night ones were more secular than anything,  I would call it positive philosophy. In that moment I said God I’m singing these words to you but I don’t mean it; help me to mean it And he did. Jeremiah 6:10-21; Jeremiah 25:15-33; Jonah 1:4-10; Acts 27:13-26. formElement.attachEvent('onsubmit', appendJsTimerElement); if (null === formElement) { Call our office for special bulk pricing available on select items. However they are apart of the ministry of Jesus and whoever is His true disciples. My people have committed two evils. Knowing Christ and  Living a life simply following the precepts of the bible are more than enough. With his long hair, tattoos, hippy looks and southern drawl that makes him a captivating speaker. I am 40 now and began attending in my mid-twenties so I was around when the ramp was at the 180 building in Cleveland TN, and also at the Christian bookstore. As I think back on it I wonder how I lived so long in such a hysterical environment. ( Log Out /  } CONNECT WITH US ON … This was especially true in the A/G, but I know at least one that is into NAR type stuff. We get to validate his false prophecies and bad theology and they get our money…win, win? They have forsaken me the fountain of living waters and are drawing from cracked cisterns which hold no water. It didn’t die for our sins or hang on the cross for anybody. IMO, much of southeastern Pentecostalism places too much emphasis on feelings. } else if(formElement.attachEvent){ I didn’t know if I could possibly  sit in another “Amost there, about to happen moments” at church it was starting to get under my skin. I started w the Ramp in my twenties and I’m now in my 40’s. I don’t need to move to a foreign country as a missionary to be mightily used of God or stand behind a pulpit. And yes there is false doctrine being taught. The church is supposed to be a help in the process of doing this, but it’s not to take the place of God. Also, some of the churches teach an unbiblical idea that false prophecy is okay. All we would have to do is swap names and your story would become mine. There was constant talk of apostles and prophets that God was raising up in these last days. View all posts by puresola. And I did not mean Catholic Charismatic meetings I just went charismatic meetings. Thank God you are free!!! I know he has a meeting place in SC but have not heard any of his messages but I’ve seen enough of him to know to steer clear. This is a very fair, well-written article. Perhaps millions of young Americans (as well as vast numbers of youth around the world) are being brainwashed by a large and growing network of apostate “Church” leaders whom Satan is using to create a generation of heretics. Judy Jacobs is a sent one. I felt lost. Always wondered how born again christians could run along side false teachers for years on end and not realize that they weren’t born again. I don’t want to see these people be disqualified from their callings, because of rejecting truth in the Bible. Sorry about some of the typos above. It sounds so Godly no one has stopped to examine weather it lines up with doctrine. It is the hardest part. The bible warns 17 times in the NT against wolves/false teachers but ministers selectively pick feel good scriptures and ignore others; you know, the ones that bring them under scrutiny or accountability .Sadly most Christians don’t know bible scripture so they  believe pretty much anything the preacher says. My wife and I have surely been hurt over the years with some of the garage that goes on. $15.00. I researched all these teachers/ministries relentlessly and found the origins of this movement to be corrupted to the core. Karen Harris Wheaton Towe is an American Pentecostal preacher, Gospel music singer and recording artist based in Hamilton, Alabama whose career has spanned the late 1970s until the present time. Prayers that ur search for growth in spirituality evolves and younfind the peace in which I have over the years….Peace and Light….thank u for sharingbur story and it gives peace to many hearing the truths regarding Pentecostal- Holiness type churches. The Ramp was founded by Karen Wheaton and is headquartered in Hamilton, Alabama. God is God, the church is not. let formTimeDiff = Math.floor((new Date).getTime()/1000) - FORM_TIME_START; This can only come with surrendering our whole hearts to God and His son, He can only offer us this true love we seek. I gave my life to the Lord having heard her testimony, so charasmatic Christianity was all new to me, I was church of Ireland.For me despite being pretty and tallented i had a huge void in my heart and I knew that when I heard about Jesus , He was the only one who could fill the void. They are deceived and in turn go about deceiving others. These men prophesy lies and the people imagine vain things. It is an  out of balance, unbiblical view of being a disciple of Christ. How patient the Lord was on me…I will forever praise Him for that. The original posting of this article was about 8 months ago but it caught my eye as I have been researching Karen Wheaton and The Ramp. That’s the biggest reason for sharing my story. We believe awakening begins with an encounter. I hope you can see the email I put in. I told him that did not line up with scripture but he assured me God had spoken to him. Those ministries are considered heretical by many orthodox Christians…I had NO clue. Gifts are given according to the grace given unto us. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. So true. Those of a more sensitive nature or those prone to depression or therapy will not find it conducive to their mental wellbeing. I have spent 20 years of my life in the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement but something happened to me recently that caused me to walk away completely. This is my therapy. Karen Harris Wheaton Towe is an American Pentecostal preacher, Gospel music singer and recording artist based in Hamilton, Alabama whose career has spanned the late 1970s until the present time. Through the years I didn’t buy into many of the man-made traditions we had adopted like falling on the floor or thinking one had to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit nonetheless I went along with it because I didn’t think it was hurting anyone. Phone: (205) 921-0909. Thank you for this post. Blessings, It was writ in spirit and in truth. I tried to commit suicide because I was so lost inside , they mocked me and scorned me at church, my so called friend from ireland totally rejected me. How God had great and mighty plans for my generation and how he was going to use us in a MIGHTY way. BULK PRICING AVAILABLE . Anyway I saw the light after that terrible experience and got out of that charasmatic( recognised church) . ( Log Out /  I still believe in miracles, the gifts of the spirit and the Word of God. if (null !== formElement) { Often we just mature and wherever we are at has served it’s purpose and it’s time to move on. Contact Information My experience with the ‘signs and wonders’ or ‘prophetic movement’ is that the churches and conference I have attended can be rather light on the Bible. Definitely not the work of God but Satan. They sent one of their big leaders to me to sort me out, he said I was only fit to be thrown on a dung hill, then in passing he asked to see some of my paintings. There was such a dark cult atmosphere that year but like my group, I dismissed all the red flags and thought there was more good than bad so just take what is good. I loved church fellowship and dressing up for church. The straw that broke the camel’s back was when a super  Christian guy I was dating and who had become deeply imbedded in this movement broke up with me because God told him too. That’s what the Bible says about false teachers. They claim you are speaking out against the Lords anointed. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. When I read that it was like I saw it for the first time, I mean truly understood it. And He set up His church the way He wanted and then wrote it down for us for a blueprint. if (null !== formElement) { Doing this is an individual quest. The Bible can certainly help us to understand how God looks at gender issues. Some people never discover that and allow the church, or church organization, to be as an idol to them their entire physical lives. Kansas City (IHOP), Morningstar Ministries and Bethel Redding are what I considered great men of God preaching the true gospel. Generation X marks the spot was the trending evangelical phrase in those days. If so we probably have mutual friends. Being hurt, seeing confusion in the life of my friends lead me back to God. One of the greatest resources that helped me through this difficult time has been others sharing their stories and so I am compelled to share mine. I a hard time paving a lot of things that I saw and learned because their waS definitely a mixture of genuine Christians and imposters. I could not believe this woman would manipulate teenagers out of what little money they had with zero shame. I would say recovering from whatever damage that was done has taken me so many many years. The Ramp was founded by Karen Wheaton and is headquartered in Hamilton, Alabama. Half a torn map with a cigarrette burn where Orlando is supposed to be is ‘in part.’ Those are two different things. if(formElement.addEventListener){ You can unsubscribe at any time. Karen Harris Wheaton Towe is an American Pentecostal preacher, Gospel music singer and recording artist based in Hamilton, Alabama whose career has spanned the late 1970s until the present time. As I was screaming my babbling prayers  and becoming exhausted doing it I stopped to look around and thought to myself, “So we can just stand here and scream and God does what we say?”  I look back on that moment and believe God was waking me up to the great delusion I was in. It is Available on ITunes and Also on AmazonMP3 and can also be fount on www.theramp.org. I was involved in the Charismatic Movement for 10+ years. wFORMS.behaviors.prefill.skip = false. I wish I could Edit above but I can’t. I constantly prayed for understanding and that God would lay a new foundation based on a correct interpretation of His Word. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Phone: (205) 921-0909. I just don’t understand what you wrote to totally answer your question on gender orientation. As regards fellowship, I enjoy attending a very traditional Episcopal church where large sections of all scripture are read and liturgy is the foundation of the communion service. I was in agreement then, and . Karen Wheaton is a seasoned Christian minister whose music and preaching has provoked listeners to pursue God in passionate worship for many years. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("type", "hidden"); Did your journey in this trash cause you to almost commit suicide? What once nurtured my innocent soul began feeding it imitation meat and I ended up in darkness and  delusion. I could get a fresh prophetic word every Sunday at the altar as people prayed for me. We have not because we ask not, this means the deeps, nothing external ought we desire, thus comes the fulfillment. I have been enjoying reading about the revivals of the past when God impacted communities without any involvement of man. Never have I been so hurt in my life. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("value", formTimeDiff.toString()); Our pastor who was not there that night at the meeting called and asked me to come into his office. For detailed proof of his false prophecies and teachings go to -- haLUNACY. I guess that meant we were really reaching the world with the gospel, I mean we were televised, right? Some aren’t really ‘Pentecostal’ per se. Its this  idea that some magical  epic event will transpire in the distant future and THEN you will have “arrived” into your destiny moment. I have a lot of thoughts on this but am still wrestling with how to articulate them. This is not a sustainable way to live. I’m just seeking clarification. Kansas City (IHOP), Morningstar Ministries and Bethel Redding are what I considered great men of God preaching the true gospel. They taught  we were the special generation that would usher in the return of Christ. Many times there was no biblical backing for their claims. Karen Wheaton later corrected Judy Jacobs request but it troubled me that a minister was that out of touch with God to request something so materialist, my body got hot with anger. If we give in to our own hurt or bitterness and place it above the scripture then we are at risk of going into deception. As Director, she oversees the Charles W. Colson scholarship program and pursues the goals of the Institute for Prison Ministries through networks, collaboration and strategic partnerships. The only one who has the authority to do away with something is the Lord. Then I began to read His Word….truly studying His Word. Hockey Ministries International 1100 Ave des Canadiens de Montreal Suite B43 Montreal, QC H3B 2S2 CANADA Phone (514) 395-1717 Ext. I have found so many more people who know and have ALWAYS known Pentecostal theology is horrible. Many of the people in church leadership were there. I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. It is SO hard to have this conversation with those who are deceived by it. I was saying where in the laodicean church age. Do you think that can help? Beautifully explained Lynn. And the anger… oh the anger. Partnering with local churches, families, and individuals to see awakening in their communities, equipping them to carry purpose into their worlds, Community transformation through the presence, power, and message of Jesus, Contact Us: It was a pattern, one that bothered me. Paul mentions the idea of bearing false witness of God, claiming He did something He didn’t, in a context that indicates that it is a bad thing to do in I Corinthians 14. Healing and miracles should never have been made the focus. I did not like my carnal life. } There are plenty of smaller churches that don’t have the blacklights and don’t follow that style. The light shines in the darkness and the darkness can not overcome John chapter 1. I have not walked away from my faith in Christ, only what I now consider false teaching and a system that is overtaken with false prophets and corruption. And prophesying falsely in the name of the Lord is a bad thing. It’s not said point blank but the overall theme is he is one of the only ones preaching the REAL gospel and that type of hyped up emotional message can radicalize ppl in a very dark way. I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness (internal) and all these things shall be added unto you. We can do a portion of it in a corporate setting (like a church group) but God only saves us (through Jesus and His Truth) one heart at a time and as that heart is truly ready to be saved.- – – In other words, God doesn’t save the whole church but rather just those whose hearts are right towards Him no matter what church or church type it is. Help. }; God was treated like a genie in a bottle many times in church services. Why I Left the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement. ” — Karen Wheaton So we should not expect New Testament saints to have inferior or defective gifts. I just don’t want to see you disregard Biblical truth on the account of all the junk out there. I think he needs therapy. But it dos taint my children from religion and church Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. Thankfully I was w someone who told them it was a fire safety violation to block exits. ( Log Out /  if (null === formElement) { if (null !== cumulatedTime && cumulatedTime > 0) { Dr. Karen Swanson. Email: Store@theramp.org It doesn’t make Pentecostalism wrong per se. He shows us this stuff to create a true and pure focus on Him. I never lived in Hamilton but attended many conferences. The Bible is the standard. Phone: (205) 921-0909. You will be harshly snubbed. Don’t through the baby out with the bath water. wow this resonates so much for me I was so damaged by the charismatic/Pentecostal church as i am now in my 30s, when i was a teen a knew i was gay and i told some trusted people and was told that God would take it away and make me straight basically and that he had a wife for me (i even had a “prophetic” word about it , gradually as i got older i became disillusioned with church, i knew my sexuality was not going to change and i knew that i was not going to get married either so i have decided to stay away from church, my faith is still there but i have become deeply skeptical of the charismatic church in general but also Christians in general though i still believe in the tenants of faith despite the fact i am a gay guy, so now here i am trying to figure all this out and put myself back together after being messed up by the church …. Email: Store@theramp.org from HEADJANITOR:. If so have you heard of any type of therapy that could help my friend move away from this? To tell someone they don’t have the Holy Ghost if they don’t speak in tongues sets people up to speak in fake tongues or doubt their salvation. Also there are no “A”postles and “P”prophets in the church today. BTW did you live in Hamilton or have friends there? We’ve seen them set free from sin, addiction, depression, suicide and bondage. I would really like to talk to you one day. I always thought the verse in 2 Thessalonians 2:11 was peculiar. I have also noticed music is a main attraction in church; It has replace bible studies. Can’t help thinking the old adage is correct: ‘if you find a perfect church don’t join it. Note: the show will be available June 3, 2013. I’m not sure who you are but we’ve probably met or been acquainted at one point in time. It was supposed to be an annual Black Friday shopping tradition for Karen Wheaton and her daughters at the Riverchase Galleria mall in Hoover, Alabama, late Thursday night. Many of his “sermons” are about berating other churches or the church system and picking a part everything wrong in them. All I know is the Pentecostal church as undergone some big changes since I first began and none of them are helping people learn bible Scripture or to understand verses in context. Through our conferences, school of ministry, travel events, social media, broadcast program and multiple church locations, The Ramp engages thousands of people each month with the transforming power of the gospel. If you wouldn’t mind checking out my website sometime I would appreciate it. if(formElement.addEventListener){ I studied the difference between exegesis and isagesis teachings and watched the Strange Fire conference with John MacArthur which helped tremendously to explain what I was looking at. The Ramp is a global ministry with a passion and mission to awaken a generation, equip them for their purpose, and send them out to change their world. Their job was to seek Him with all their heart in persistent prayer. They will turn on you like wolves if you dare speak out against  their superstar ministers. Jesus must become our very own Personal Savior. Goodbye Girl Hello Lady. God Bless! One example is the leadership of apostles and prophets. I’m grateful for my experiences and grew in the Pentecostal church regardless of the imperfections. I just got out too and this has been off and on for 7 years. Dr. Swanson has been the Director of the Institute for Prison Ministries (1PM), Billy Graham Center for Evangelism at Wheaton College since 2005. Karen Wheaton Ministries in Hamilton, reviews by real people. I also bear wormed worth something you said about your friend’s reaction to honest conversation. The Way Home. One young boy had to use the restroom and they refused to let him out. I love love love your comment! I think she’s deceived and in turn is deceiving others. Enjoy! We believe awakening begins with an encounter. let appendJsTimerElement = function(){ if (null !== cumulatedTime && cumulatedTime > 0) { HOBO= Humble, Obedient, Bond -Servant , Of ‘No Reputation…’. It  looked and felt like a big show. We must not consider what ‘all theses things’ to be added are for this has no matter , His righteousness is our matter. Her first exposure came on the PTL Club in 1978. That’s one common denominator that I noticed in the movement. In my article I mentioned a culmination of Incidents that drove me back to the Bible. Phone: (205) 921-0909. It is so unbalanced an sends people out on wild goose chases they may NEVER come back from. These three simultaneous events sent me running back to my bible. Anyone know? Me too left movement at age 20 and is now 25 years ago. Was it the charismatic church that you were involved with that was the final straw or was it some experience with The Ramp? Oddly enough I had to leave church to get mentally/emotionally healthy. As I shared the incident  with other believers in righteous outrage,not one person said a word at that table, Not one. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("id", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); Paul say’s it is better to remain single so we may wholeheartedly serve God with all of our hearts, a servant heart is the only way to be truly fulfilled. In this movement ministers are worshiped like infallible gods above reproach. 2019-02-09T01:41:33-05:00. There is a lot of good, then there is a web like part. Book. Those ministries … I was truly saved in this movement at the age of 20. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("autocomplete", "off"); ..pressure from elders was growing….in mu heart I loved the Lord and felr it was the wrong church and surroundings for myself and family..no regrets for leaving….I know God led me away drom that mess.. My life has been a series of interesting twists that will hopefully benefit someone out in the ether. } My experience in the A/G, and Southeastern Pentecostalism is a much heavier emphasis on the Bible. Neither gender nor sexual desires can be a foundation for true love and fulfillment. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("name", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); A sensible reply amongst all the other stuff. formTimeDiff += cumulatedTime; At the moment my words are few because I still have to process and come to terms with everything. He has flaky interpretations of scripture w his “God given revelations/visions” and it can turn really negative. Shipping Hours: Monday-Friday 10am-4pm. I saw so many people using Gods name in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement it is dizzying. Here’s my info. The only one who has ever said these ministries have pasted are other men. What a bargain! Damon Thompson’s popularity and fame is spreading throughout the Christian landscape. I was so confused and bewildered coming out. Completely His direction as I asked and it bore witness with my spirit. I find that so laughable now to look at people who are expressional during worship as a definitive sign that God is moving. You people are completely nuts and the ones with the problem. However, if we truly want to find God then we need to seek Him individually and with all of our hearts. I had many questions concerning the church and gender orientation. It or job now to proclaim it in faith. I consider the Ramp a cult full of false teachings. I have a few stories very similar to that one. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("name", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); Many times I would sit in church and hear the preacher say something and wonder, “Is that even biblical?” then I would wonder if I had a demon or an evil spirit of unbelief (welcome to Pentecostal thinking my friends). But thank you for writing. I was into Benny hinn and hill song and Friday home fellowships and integrity music and God knows what. My heart goes out to you. I was 21 years old when I truly came to know Christ and now I am 40 and let me tell you this stuff gets old. I learned to live from word to word and conference to conference, it was a spiritual high I was chasing. Many years have passed now but the experience will always be raw, but i love Jesus and He saved me and He has kept me through everything, He is the light He is the word who dwells among us full of light and truth? Shipping Hours: Monday-Friday 10am-4pm. It’s one of the main things that I realized that helped me come to my senses and wash my hands of the movement. webuzy. Hello, I stumbled on ur blog after reseavhing Pastor Judy Jacobs( couldnt sleep and saw her on tv) ur story resonated in my heart, group think and rwligion w false teachings is so prevalent…I too was involved w the United Penticostal Church, Antioch , in Arnold Md.some 30 yrs ago…raised Lutheran O was searching and growing my spiriuality….Antioch seemed enlighteningbat the time..Shunning my friends and neighbors, family that didny convert within 6-12 months….agter 3-4 yrs of growing in the chutch, having bible study in my home and attending church 3-4 niggts a week w small children became roo much You are  considered judgmental, divisive and condemned for stirring up dissension among the brethren which is them taking scripture completely out of context to stay unaccountable, complacent and feeling good about their extreme idol worship. We could exchange names and I would be the one writing this. View more product. This is my story. Once we were all encouraged to speak in tongues and shout out our cities name as claimed territory In the name of Jesus. More grace doesn’t mean we have inferior gifts. I’m just now leveling out after I went through a very dark time. I don’t try and convince my old friends of anything, they have made up their minds but I speak what I know to be the truth. ... Marilyn Hickey, Betty Robinson, Beverly LaHaye, Arlene & C. Courtney Henderson, Karen Wheaton, Christie Harvey and Gail Riplinger. I became a Christian in the 1980 s after coming to London to attend art college, I had a portrait in the National gallery in London and that was sucess as a young teenager, i had also been approached by people who were scouting for up and coming miss irelands in beauty pageants because they had seen my picture in newspapers .London was a big place for a teenager from the sticks in Ireland, so i got in touch with a friend who recently became a Christian and was living in London and at art college. it’s almost 2 years out and I’m just now getting to the place where I can pray. $20.00. Karen Wheaton Ministries. I’ve been out for a few years and have never been more mentally healthy in all my life. let appendJsTimerElement = function(){ I did and I know others have whether Charismatic, Pentecostal, Baptist, Anglican, Sally Army, Methodist etc etc. He completely changed his tune and said Iwas so worthwhile and tallented and beautiful. Therapy is rooted in humanism, so no it will not help your friend but the Truth spoken in love and empowered by the Spirit definitely will.